Errrr. The CRX is losing to the Fox?

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura)
03/31/2014 at 13:21 • Filed to: None

Don't get me wrong, but this is a competition of beaters right? I mean, the normal Fox was trash, where even normal CRXs are fun. And no, we're not talking about Fox bodies with 5000 dollar engine builds. In that case, we could do a B or H swap on the CRX, and it would still perform more admirably.

DISCUSSION (35)

crown victor victoria > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:22

RWD is your answer. An RWD beater is a beautiful thing, regardless of how good the CRX is/was.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:23

Go find a CRX that is not completely rusted out and for a decent price.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > crown victor victoria
03/31/2014 at 13:25

I don't understand RWD beaters. A DD is supposed to go anywhere and do anything. A CRX truly can do that. A Fox Body can not.

Arben72 > crown victor victoria
03/31/2014 at 13:25

Except when you live in the snow belt. Fwd + ebrake turns > pushing and shoveling rwd cars.

pauljones > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:26

Yes, and that is as it should be. I love the CRX; don't get me wrong. But the Fox is the better choice. And a Fox can be DD'd just as well as a CRX.

jariten1781 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:30

I prefer the CRX, but a low dollar fox is way better than a low dollar CRX.

offroadkarter > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:31

I don't think a simple B series swap is going to outperform a bolt on + geared fox body, let alone any mild H/C/I setup. Theres a reason the fox is still a very popular platform for going fast today.

Finding a CRX that hasn't been hacked to hell or totally riced out is another issue. The last time I saw a clean stock CRX was my aunts burgundy CRX which was hit by a bus and crushed by a tree.

crown victor victoria > Arben72
03/31/2014 at 13:32

But what about all the people who do not live in the snow belt? You have a good reason for possibly avoiding the Fox but many others don't have that problem.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > offroadkarter
03/31/2014 at 13:34

Yes, but a DD also isn't supposed to get only 15mpg.

BigBlock440 > Arben72
03/31/2014 at 13:35

Sandbags and snow tires

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > pauljones
03/31/2014 at 13:35

I guess this depends on where you live, a Fox would NEVER be a beater for me.. a CRX would. :)

offroadkarter > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:39

a fox can get better than 15mpg, hell my 351w bronco got 14mpg.

crown victor victoria > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:44

A CRX can't go anywhere or do anything any less admirably than a RWD car, especially if it's got mismatched body panels and is probably being sold to finance a meth addiction. We're talking clunkers here.

I have no beef with Hondas, especially not the CRX as that's unquestionably in the top 5 best cars they've sold in North America, but to just say it's "better" than a Fox body of similar vintage is just kind of silly.

I know we're on a car blog and we all have our favorites, but be honest...a shopping cart might be a better choice than either for some people. So would a hang glider, or a skateboard. It depends on a million things we can't account for in some "A is better than B" internet slapfight.

I never said that the Mustang is or isn't better than the CRX. But if it's my beater lunch money, I'd take the V8 and the bald tire burnouts. If I could have either in museum-quality condition, though, I'd take a CRX without hesitation. Some might prefer the opposite. But not me, and not all the other people who voted Mustang.

JR1 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 13:48

CRX was limited on body styles. Fox Body could be multiple body styles including cheap ass beater convertible making it imo better:

Kinja'd!!!

crown victor victoria > jariten1781
03/31/2014 at 13:50

This. And you shouldn't have much trouble locating a low-dollar Fox because they sold a metric buttload of them. Plus you can harvest a laundry list of other FoMoCo platform-sharers for common parts.

As far as a pure "beater" goes, this one might just win it all.

Makoyouidiot > offroadkarter
03/31/2014 at 13:54

I know a guy with one. it's been in a field for years, doesn't run, and he only wants 500 bucks. But I bought a 240sx instead. Because RWD :P

offroadkarter > Makoyouidiot
03/31/2014 at 13:57

between a 240sex and a crx I'd probably take the 240 to.

mycarneverruns87 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:09

My built motor Fox routinely got over 20. 28 over a 100+ mile highway cruise. No BS.

crowmolly > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:18

Posted this on the voting site too:

Given the assumption that we are talking about a V8 fox it has a lot of things going for it. As an example, a common '91 LX or GT would have the 5.0, a 5 speed trans (maybe), an 8.8 ring and pinion and a limited slip diff. Inside that 5.0 would be TRW forged pistons and a hydraulic roller cam.

You can make all the jokes you want about how they all left the factory with a black gelcoat cowl hood, weld prostars, and a set of Flowmaster 40's but it's a good platform. And this is coming from a Camaro/Firebird guy.

mycarneverruns87 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:19

My bracket had the Fox and CRX facing off from the very beginning for good reasons. They are both very fun beaters that don't hurt the wallet. You can take these cars and turn them into whatever you want to suit your needs/wants.

I believe the reason the Fox is winning is because stock for stock it is an all around better hoon mobile. RWD, over 300 lb ft of torque stock, great sound, not uncomfortable at all, and gets you laid. The CRX (which I love and will own someday) is more one-dimensional to me. It is a corner carver and not much more than a big co-kart. The problem with that is you have to search harder for areas to really have fun in the car. Good twisty roads are sometimes hard to come by. That is why it is easier to have fun in the Fox as you have a very satisfying loud pedal, RWD, and torque that make the car fun at all times.

crowmolly > mycarneverruns87
03/31/2014 at 14:23

With a .68 5th gear in the manual and a 2.73 or 3.08 RAR you had better be getting over 20 or something is wrong with the car.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > crowmolly
03/31/2014 at 14:25

I'm not saying it's not. For a project, I'd take it very seriously. But I tend to see DD and beaters more on an "as-is" and fix-what-you-need-too-leave-what-you-don't. I just think people are confusing beater/DD for project on this one. A DD is the opposite of your project car.

mycarneverruns87 > crowmolly
03/31/2014 at 14:28

3.73 gears

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > crown victor victoria
03/31/2014 at 14:29

All due respect, but I live in VA, where "The weather is made up, and the seasons don't matter". Seriously, this winter has been terrible, and definitely made me think twice about getting a RWD car as a DD.

Meatcoma > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:29

I approve of the CRX losing to the fox.

mycarneverruns87 > crowmolly
03/31/2014 at 14:30

3.73 gears

crowmolly > mycarneverruns87
03/31/2014 at 14:31

I was talking about a stock vehicle since we were generalizing. 28 with 3.73's is excellent.

crown victor victoria > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:47

That's fine, and a good point, but VA Everywhere else. Lots of people don't need to worry very much about months of brutal winter, and even in the places where they do, I'm sure you'll find beaters and DDs that aren't front or all wheel drive.

crowmolly > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 14:47

I totally agree! Part of a good DD is not having to jack with it, ease of repairs, and low cost if you have to buy parts or farm out labor. I was just trying to point out that in addition to being a very common platform, the setup from the factory is pretty bulletproof and performance oriented.

wiffleballtony > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 15:12

Ive searched my local craigslist for crxs before. Finding a unmolested one is like finding a unicorn. They are usually modded within an inch of their lives and barely running. Whereas I can find Foxes aplenty, unmolested for less.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 15:13

I don't understand your argument. Are you suggesting that a Fox can't be DD'd?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney
03/31/2014 at 15:29

I'm not saying that at all. My original post was about my opinion that the CRX is a better DD than the Fox. This particular thread went more in the direction that people seem to be buying the Fox for its mod potential, which is not at all what the contest should be about.

Arben72 > BigBlock440
03/31/2014 at 17:33

I have snow tires on my m3 with 50/50 weight distribution. I live in an area where they decide not to plow and I can tell you awd/fwd>rwd with the same tires. There's many days I can't get out of my block with my m3 on snows but one of my fwd beaters on all seasons plows through it.

Axial > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
03/31/2014 at 21:08

I live in VA. I daily drive a C4 Corvette. I even drove it when the roads were nasty with all that winter precipitation.

I can comfortably say that RWD is not a problem. Ride height is.

BigBlock440 > Arben72
03/31/2014 at 21:09

Did you ever put weight in the trunk? It makes a hell of a difference.